A Little About Buzzen!

It takes a little more than big words and the rip of a PR release to prove it to me. If I lie to every one and then say, oh thats just a rumour you heard, does that absolve me? Your words sounded professional, I don't believe your organization is. I speak of the safety of your users. What guarantee can you grant them when there is already history of your sysops using private user information for their own enjoyment? What actual proof do you have to back up 15, or so, Enterprise Class servers. I saw proof that they all pointed to one IP address. I don't think MSN used 15 servers and they are a huge mega-corporation. Where are these "Enterprise class servers" stored? I'd imagine with that type of investment you have a big server room properly cooled with all the security equipment? Not even speaking of your sysops and guides abusing private information, what measures have you taken to guarantee the safety and privacy of your users personal information?

It takes a little more than big words and the rip of a PR release to prove it to me. If I lie to every one and then say, oh thats just a rumour you heard, does that absolve me? Your words sounded professional, I don't believe your organization is. I speak of the safety of your users. What guarantee can you grant them when there is already history of your sysops using private user information for their own enjoyment? What actual proof do you have to back up 15, or so, Enterprise Class servers. I saw proof that they all pointed to one IP address. I don't think MSN used 15 servers and they are a huge mega-corporation. Where are these "Enterprise class servers" stored? I'd imagine with that type of investment you have a big server room properly cooled with all the security equipment? Not even speaking of your sysops and guides abusing private information, what measures have you taken to guarantee the safety and privacy of your users personal information?

Travis,

I wont even respond to you because there is no point. You have manipulated things and used "fishy" information that you can't substantiate to attack us. If you provide facts I will respond to them, until then I will simply disregard you.

Well, I may not know a whole hell of alot about how things work, but, I do know MSN has been DDOS'd before, and I dont remember them going down. I believe they had 5-10 servers, and they didnt point to one adress. Infact, if I'm not mistaken, the IP ranges for each server we're different aswell, thus preventing a DDOS attack from taking the site completely down. So, are you running it on one set of IP ranges? Or, are you running it from a home network?

X-Fusion,

We are attacked by DDoS multiple times a week. In almost all cases there is no affect on our network from it. I assume MSN had a much more advanced network with unlimited resources at there disposal. We do not have such luxeries!

Buzzen owns approx 30 IP's but at this time we only use about 14. I cant really get into what IP is connected to what because of security reasons.

Excuse me, fishy? I provided facts with urls to back them up. The only response I received were name calling. I brought up real questions and concerns. These aren't intended as an attack. I speak for the users wanting you to simply back up your statements. You did not answer any of the appropriate concerns I raised. Instead you simply gave some vague excuse to not respond. That show's that my concerns are correct and you haven't devised a plausible sounding defense yet.

The truth is very easy to defend. If my warnings are false, then you should have no problem showing the existing proof to defend them.

Excuse me, fishy? I provided facts with urls to back them up. The only response I received were name calling. I brought up real questions and concerns. These aren't intended as an attack. I speak for the users wanting you to simply back up your statements. You did not answer any of the appropriate concerns I raised. Instead you simply gave some vague excuse to not respond. That show's that my concerns are correct and you haven't devised a plausible sounding defense yet.

 

The truth is very easy to defend. If my warnings are false, then you should have no problem showing the existing proof to defend them.

Perhaps I wasnt clear enough for you, so I will try and remedy that.

You provided false claims as fact. You claimed Buzzen was run on a home connection off of one computer ( you even went as far as to offer this fiction as a type of public service expose) You accused Buzzen of not securing personal data. You even went as far as to say we used peoples personal info for our own amusement. Those are quite simply Lies.

You show me instances of this and I will gladly respond to them right after I make sure it doesnt happen again. As for our network, it speaks for itself. Only a poorly informed person with no technical background could even make an assumption like that.

So if you want me to take you seriously provide me with some proof of these alegations, where I come from the burdon of proof is on the accusor not the accused.

LOLz what gets me is the people that baby sit the server will never see a dime of what is collected. Yet they spend the most time looking after things, doing pr work, and all the bs that comes with it. Are they happy with the butterfly beside their name, and the control factor that comes with having a butterfly? At least while I did it, I was doing with the concept of beleiving I was doing what was necessary to get partnered project going. As for the others, I don't get it.

Deanne i not sure if you only see what you want to see!

I have stated before and i will again the topic you started on buzzen forums was moved to archives which all can view, IT WAS NOT DELETED.

As for the ban, well i got better things to do than listen to your rants and users were getting fed up with you simple!

I am not quick to ban and as has been pointed out to me i do take a lot of flack before i will take action!

I think i have been totaly fair, i let the topic run untill it became repetitive..

p.s viper runs on patched ocx never seen anything about that lmso!

What about my ban? Don't you like my argumentative, don't give up and won't shut up ways?

p.s viper runs on patched ocx never seen anything about that lmso!

"I saw a gagster kill a cop on T.V. That makes it okay, right?"

Okay when Buzzen comes out with they're new OCX, I'm going to be one of the first to rip it, and use it for my own personal network. And if Buzzen even tries legal action, my one and only responce will be: "Well you did it first." Sounds valid... right?

p.s viper runs on patched ocx never seen anything about that lmso!

didn't see anyone trying to make money off it though

That would be between you and buzzen owners!

"Power" I provided proof showing how all url's pointed to the same IP. As far as misusing a chatters personal information, this topic has already been brought up and proven. And you still haven't answered what measures you have taken to secure your chatters private information.

Sorry, you haven't convinced me. All I have seen is denial and name calling. As I said previously, the truth shouldn't be difficult to prove.

15 servers eh? You're topping a mega corporation like Microsoft then. Grats. I am not attacking Buzzen or this person who has named himself "Power". I am pointing out what seem like blatant and uneeded lies to promote their service. I am doing this for the safety and security of everyone. You still haven't proven me wrong, only called me names.

Another point it is up to microsft redmond to say what is what not msn !

And if you would like to clarify that write to them!

anyways this is old hat we have been over this already!

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This is a buzzen server as well

Name: flashirc.info

Address: 70.24.59.71

Aliases: www.flashirc.info

P.S please donot come in to chuck and JJs beta test room with childish comments this is a server for the demo version of flashirc, many thanks in advanced!

and as to where the burden of proof lies. That's in a court of law. As to the court of public opinion that isn't so. The burden is on the business i'm sorry to say. A few bad rumors even if they are lies can be enough to ruin a business. Therefore the business must go the extra mile to ensure the public that the lies or misinformation is exactly that. That's just how the business world works.

I think you have explained the server situation adequately.

also.. you say hard work got the users to buzzen.. i have to disagree with that a bit. hardwork keeps users it doesn't always get you the users. MSN going to paid and ultimately closing got you the large amount of users. The "cough" msn broadcast message sure didn't hurt either. Seeing buzzen spam everywhere on the server certainly helped. I don't think you can honestly say buzzen would be as popular now without those things happening. Hard work will indeed keep those visitors.

We worked very hard on tg but that alone didn't get us the userbase. Alot had to do with luck. Not many sites were offering msn bot/script info with any sort of quality when we started. Hard work over the years has kept the users and helped to get new ones but without the luck of filling the niche when it was needed the site wouldn't have gone very far. People ask me constantly how to get a popular website. It has alot to do with luck. Luck of filling a need at a time when it's needed lol.

So while you say hardwork is why you have the users i have to disagree just a bit. If you hadn't used the ocx you wouldn't be as popular. Say you used java interface instead.. Would you still be as popular? I don't think so.

But that's all in the past. Now the hard work comes into play. Keeping the users is the hardest part. So far so good.. i think you are doing a pretty good job with that.

I can tell ya the 2 hardest parts of it all is all the bs that goes around with all the politicking which leads to backstabbing, quite a viicious circle cuz many want to be a chat super star. Id have to say the women on the server are the worst as they love to gab, lie, and gab more about the lies until a big bomb goes off. Then the server management start thinkin with their peckers cuz the women have their ways of persuasion.

All good things must come to an end, its gonna be a big flop, watch and see. I dont think every user will abandon ship right away but i do think about 72.28535% of them will go find a server compatible with the msn ocx. Then a new star will shine on another server.

Buzzen using MSN's ocx i dont think is a big deal, thats like adding an addon to your mIRC script to make it better. If its out their and you have access to it why not use it. I mean they are giving the people what they want and that is MSN's look, because that is what their use too. I'm not gonna base a chat on their ocx, VSIXc is just as nice as Buzzen in my book, VSIXc put alot more work in their chat site than Buzzen has in my opinion, but all in all they are both great servers to chat on.

Note : Just like errOr said if Buzzen didnt have MSN's ocx i dont think they would be where they are at today. VSIXc doesn't have an MSN ocx but look at how far they have come, Credits goes out to IRCx for a great place to chat.

Doesnt really matter, they will have had the last laugh, cause they have lots of peoples "donations"...and from what i hear, the room owners (and those who have handed over hard earned cash) are slowly getting less support. Just look at RM room list and tell me if you see anything worng with the room list...as in room names?? now wheres the support for ppl who have donated.

Buzzen isn't all that great, VSIXC pwnz Buzzen, buzzen is just using the MSN OCX and thats just it!!!!!.