Network of Chats

We seem to have chat sites popping out of every cyber nook and cranny around.

The old MSN chatters are scattered throughout so many different chat sites, that none of the chat sites works really have a big crowd, except for buzz. And buzz has more than they can comfortably handle guaging by their 1-3 hour waits for authentication to join a room, and the frustrating number of disconnects happening. Too many chatters for a server can be just as bad as not enough.

I don't think having all these seperate chat servers isn't bad in itself. It can even be helpful to spread out the bulk of chatting onto several servers, and prevent the difficulties of having more people on any one server than that server can comfortably handel. But what is unfortunate is that alot of people who used to be able to connect with alot of people, now find themselves either isolated on smaller servers, or locked out of the big one due to too much traffic. These chatters seem to have little knowledge of where others might be chatting at, or how they can find people to chat with if their server is quiet for a few hours, or if they are locked out of a larger server due to too much traffic.

As many know, I really hate what the clones have done, and do not find what they have done ethical in anyway. I simply cannot bring myself to suggest any type of partnership with clone chats, but I would love to see all the genuine chats join together to form one large Chat Network.

Even if people are spread out over several different servers, that is fine. Hopefully none of the servers will get so over-populated so as to experience all the disconnects and server authentication problems that buzz gets.

Idealling it would be great if the other genuine chats shared the same ocx, so that people could hop between them and chat as easily as changing chat categories. But I know that is probably unrealistic, unless someone has a really good ocx that they are willing to share, and everyone else wants to use it also.

At the very least it would be great to see a partnership begin to happen between the genuine chats, where the genuine chats can provide access to their partner sites, so that people can find each other better, and move from one place to another more easily. Kind of like all the scripting sites do now.

Since we've been listening to www.crush.fm at Vsixc Chat, I've realized how nice it is to be 'connected' to other chats, and hear what is going on in them. Unfortunately the other chats are clones though, which really irks me! But it is nice to have the feeling that one is part of a bigger collection of chats, and realize that we were all pushed out of the same MSN boat.

It would be nice to see all the clones either make their own ocx, or partnership with someone who has one that they can use legally and ethically, and then have all the genuine chats partnership together, so that the people have a LARGER and more easily accessible NETWORK of CHATS to access.

What do you all think about the multi-chat situation? Does developing a larger network of chats sound like something that would make it easier on the chatters to find people they can chat with, and thus prevent them from heading out to places such as paltalk or other very large sites? Right now quite a few chatters bounce between a few of the chat sites, but I was shocked to realize just how many chatters aren't even aware of the other sites, or the possibility of finding new friends they really enjoy chatting with.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

I'm sure if all the admins,hosts,helpers etc... Every one involved with a chat network. If you could get them all to get along together and work on one big projects for a few weeks to make a new kind of chat network. I'm sure they would pull off some thing far better then the beloved Microsoft chat Network.

I doubt VSIXc will share its ocx simply for security reasons. The encryption technique used to mask your IP is very secret. I think your idea in general is good but because of the basic neediness and insecurity of most people involved with chats I don;t see it happening. If people wanted to find out about other chat networks, they will.

I doubt VSIXc will share its ocx simply for security reasons. The encryption technique used to mask your IP is very secret. I think your idea in general is good but because of the basic neediness and insecurity of most people involved with chats I don;t see it happening. If people wanted to find out about other chat networks, they will.

lol Travis, alot of people were also convinced we'd never fly, or walk on the moon. Is there any limit to what people can do, if they set their mind to it?

The synergy created when people work together, and continually improve upon the works of themselves and others, is what feeds our ability to advance. A small example of that is seen in scripting--alot of the scripts coming out now are far advanced from the scripts we were happy to use 4 or 5 years ago. A great deal of that advancement came through the willingness of scriptors to work together.

Maybe not all the chat sites are ready to form a larger network and support each other, but I think the chatters would benefit from it.

My difficulty is with what to do with the clones, because I can't bring myself to support their unethical conduct in using the msn ocx without permission. I would be great if they looked at options that allowed them to partnership with others so that their webchats could be fully on the up and up.

Deanne, the only reason most of these kids start these chat sites is for recognition. They require some sort of power. Take remko for example, a real power monger, his chatters hated him due to his power monger ways, but he was good at web design, since mohamed couldnt design a web site, he got together with remko. Mohamed couldnt build his site up on his own steam so he enlisted myself and others to bring people in. Some of us were tossed away. Anyway my point being is chat sites are pretty much build on having some sort of control. Take it away from them and the seek revenge like you've never seen before. So no you will never see these sites join forces.

Deanne, the only reason most of these kids start these chat sites is for recognition. They require some sort of power. Take remko for example, a real power monger, his chatters hated him due to his power monger ways, but he was good at web design, since mohamed couldnt design a web site, he got together with remko. Mohamed couldnt build his site up on his own steam so he enlisted myself and others to bring people in. Some of us were tossed away. Anyway my point being is chat sites are pretty much build on having some sort of control. Take it away from them and the seek revenge like you've never seen before. So no you will never see these sites join forces.

Chat franchise With the high level of msn clones popping up, anyone who came up with a way to franchise legal chat software would probably do very well, and successfully unite a large number of chat servers into a network that could easily rival msn and yahoo, if they decided to join forces. But thats just my opinion.

A good idea deanne but unfortunately alot of the small servers cannot or will not see the bigger picture!

I doubt VSIXc will share its ocx

we can / could let it connect to other servers , but only with linkt servers.

vsixc chat has always been open to the idea of teaming up with others.

A good idea deanne but unfortunately alot of the small servers cannot or will not see the bigger picture!

Are you saying "smaller" networks wont move to buzzen?

Maybe because Jay always offers them money? I remember him offering phreik $1000 and Chat-United.

At the time MSN was still open and Chat-United had FAR more chatters than Buzzen.

However if one of those went to do a merger they HAD to move to buzzen and give them all the website etc.

And still then they started as a guide which they could just do anyway...

Think on that one.

Are you saying "smaller" networks wont move to buzzen?

Maybe because Jay always offers them money? I remember him offering phreik $1000 and Chat-United.

At the time MSN was still open and Chat-United had FAR more chatters than Buzzen.

However if one of those went to do a merger they HAD to move to buzzen and give them all the website etc.

And still then they started as a guide which they could just do anyway...

 

Think on that one.

That's not a partnership, that a buy out for purpose of monopoloy

lol.

If you read the last part about them merging. That is partnership.

The audacity of these pricks, they want to weld all the power. If you notice they still tell everyone the work they do is volunteer, yet they will claim ownership of it. Some of us are in it for business, they figure you just want a cute butterfly beside your name. Now Im beginning to see how the mohamed/jay union happened, alot of "me" talk, with absolutey no "us" talk. haha funny thing is these two pricks woulda fallin flat on their faces if it hadn

't been for me.

I think we gather by now Buzzen is full of pricks...

If thats the way they work all the power to them but it wont last for long.

Anyway this wasnt to flame any network it was saying how stupid it is there are so many networks and if they teamed up it could be better.

But if something like this did happen.

No one would partnership with Buzzen, As they think they own you once you have a partnership as if you are just working for them not with them.

Well said.

Some people might forget that not all chats aspire to be all conquering superchats, and are happy doing their own thing at their own pace.

haha funny thing is these two pricks woulda fallin flat on their faces if it hadn

't been for me.

Shagman I keep hearing how important you were in the success of one of the larger clones. If that is the case, why not get on side with a genuine chat site, and lend your abilities to a site that will honor your contribution?

I agree Chief, some people are happy with their own little islands, but even islands often have a boat that takes people back and forth to the main land

I'm not encouraging the swallowing up of small chats by the big chats--though sadly that often happens. I want to avoid that if possible. What I suggest is a whole network of smaller chats uniting to give people the opportunity to more easily chat with people. Hopefully making the smaller chats more able to stand next to the larger chats without getting swallowed up. "United we can stand, divided we fall as prey"

My vision was more geared towards getting people to think about the issues, and perhaps encourage clones to find better ways to run their webchat, than to use the msn ocx without permission. (ie finding someone who has a good ocx and will let them use it with permission).

From what I can see, even if sites like buzz are successful at swallowing up the smaller chats--it wouldn't benefit the chatters at all, because buzz can't comfortably handle all the chatters is has right now. Again today it took me over an hour to connect to a room, and if buzz draws in anymore people those disconnects and authentication troubles will likely increase even more.

To me buzz has a great opportunity to help its chatters find other places they can chat when the buzz servers are too busy to handle all the chatters. buzz could easily provide links in partnership with the smaller free servers, and spread out the chatters a bit when buzz gets too busy to let people into rooms etc.

Unfortunately, from the looks of buzz, they are just in it for themselves and the money.... hoping to collect a good number of registered room donations, and then thin out their over-filled servers a bit by encouraging people to click on all the google chat ads, which probably bring buzz admin a few more dollars.

It's just sad to see, and I would like to see the smaller chat sites unite and kick buzz's butt right out of the chat world for it, or else have buzz join in and work together with others for the benefit of the chatters, not just for buzz's own personal and financial gain.

The best thing to do is let chat networks be their own. If they use the same ocx, big deal. Let them use it. It's their choice, and in most instances, they edit it to fit their server needs. So, why take away uniqueness to strive for a common plainess? Just leave the clones be and continue chatting at VSIXc. Tbh, the whole 'merging' thing sounds unappealing to me. Mergining normally requires the bigger, dominant company to take over the smaller, less marketable company and acquire their clients.

I agree x. I also like to have a variety of chat experiences, and it is neat to see some of the things people come up with. What I would like to see though, is the clones de-clone, and to have all these smaller chat sites link together like the scripting sites did. For example on most scripting sites you can find a dozzen or more links to many other script sites. If the origianl site doesn't have what you want, maybe one of the dozen other partnered sites will.

As for the the ocx franchise, I don't like to see common plainess either. I just think for people who lack the ability to create their own ocx, but who have the desire to run a chat server---partnering with someone who gives them permission to use the ocx under what ever conditions is a better solution that having so many people running around building webchat sites on the msn ocx without permission. The clones really leave the chatters in a precarious position if msn ever did decide to pull the plug or take the clone issue to court.

I dont think you really read what Gwen requested. You are talking about some sort of corporate take over. She is talking about networking the different chat services so people move around then more freely. She has a point and its a good idea, but again, the people who run chat networks do so to create some sense of popularity for themselves. They aren't going to just hand this over and be equal.

But Gwen, don;t take my word for it. Prove me wrong. I'd love it. Speak with the owners of the different popular chat sites and see what they have to say. See what conditions they would require. Bring them together Gwen. At least try. Noone is just going to do it. If you see something that needs to be done, do it. You have my support. IRCx has already stated what he would be happy to work with.

There are already scripts that support more than one network.

WTF!

My post had nothing to do with buzzen, so lets leave it out OK!!!!

I dont think you really read what Gwen requested. You are talking about some sort of corporate take over. She is talking about networking the different chat services so people move around then more freely. She has a point and its a good idea, but again, the people who run chat networks do so to create some sense of popularity for themselves. They aren't going to just hand this over and be equal.

 

But Gwen, don;t take my word for it. Prove me wrong. I'd love it. Speak with the owners of the different popular chat sites and see what they have to say. See what conditions they would require. Bring them together Gwen. At least try. Noone is just going to do it. If you see something that needs to be done, do it. You have my support. IRCx has already stated what he would be happy to work with.

 

There are already scripts that support more than one network.

Well Travis, my issue is that I would first like to see clones get themselves DE-Cloned by either making their own ocx or through using another chat sites oxc WITH PERMISSION, and UNDER AGREEMENT.

And yes networking the different chat sites, in conjunction with setting up some kind of ocx type francise for those who want a chat site, but don't know how to write good chat software, or for those who currently have a clone site and want to de-clone it.

I don't think it's enough to simply string all the clones together, because ultimately that leaves the chatters in a terrible position if msn decides to take action on the clones. We can all speculate they probably won't, but then again knowing msn they probably WILL.

We have to find a way to de-clone the clones first, in my opinion.