Accusations Of Ripping

Show me how his code is similar please.

i'm completely bored with this whole topic but thought i would come over and take a peek, i've seen that Travis say's Dabba is the only person to have a socket connection for Buzzen for a year now which is completely false cos i myself made my own months ago, and there was one by napalm if i'm not mistaken.

 

Travis has used code of Dabba's before so why wouldn't he do it again, everyone makes out like he's so great but yet he's always asking others for help and if he can use there code? hmm yh i must have missed something.

 

simple thing is if your going to use someone's code then just say so dont make out like you haven't and get this whole drama going i've seen dabba code and i have to say he codes like no other scripter i've seen.. then all of a sudden Travis's SoulFly is coded similar?.

 

but whatever, if you want to use other peoples code just say. anyway cant be bothered anymore.. and i expect the little kiddies to flame me but what ever.. i know about coding..

 

Peace~

please, show these similarity's as no one else seems to find them, since you know so much about code.

As Ive seen Dabba has a unique way of scripting, but just because Travis's is similar doesn't mean its identical, or ripped. how many ways are there to write a script for Buzzen?

Also, I haven't looked at Soulfly for a while, but as Travis said, any code he used of others was giving the appropriate credit.

i think all the evidence that is going to surface has surfaced.

Basics

Dabba thinks Travis used some ideas from his connection. People took that to mean Travis ripped some code from Dabba. Travis maintains that he didn't. The examples of the ideas Dabba is speaking of seem to be the hop alias, ctcpreply, and some join coding. The code has been posted several times over so it's pointless to keep asking for it. People now can look and make any choice they want about it. Dabba has stated he is done with the issue and as Chain isn't the creator of either of connections i don't see how he could further add to the discussion. He has stated his opinion on his site and i would assume his responses would be pretty similar to the ones he has already made. There is nothing further to bring to this debate. The accusations and coding in question is out for all to see. If continued this is only going to turn into a pissing contest. It's already turning into a Techgear vs Chainscript feel and it's not about that. TG and Chains didn't make or have anything to do with the making of the connections in question. We are simply portals that allow users to find and learn about programs. Dabba, Travis, and Chain have never shown me anything other than respect and I hope each of them feel I have shown them the same respect in return. One of the main reasons i didn't want this debate here is because i knew a few idiots would try to turn it into a TG vs. Dabba/Chainscripts. We are simply allowing the public debate of a hot topic. All parties involved were free to have their say. No one was banned or prevented from responding but in the end it's their choice to.

Well rounded reply err0r..i think were all getting fed up with this thread now.

i've seen dabba code and i have to say he codes like no other scripter i've seen.. then all of a sudden Travis's SoulFly is coded similar?.

i know about coding..

Peace~

Hi err0r. The issue I see is that people like synedyne, make generalized accusations that SoulFly's code is similar to Moschino's code.. Then they fail to provide any specific examples of that similarity, so one is not sure if they are speaking of the code that has already been posted, (hop, ctcp etc, and shown to have been in Vincula long before either Moschino or SoulFly existed), or if he is saying that the coding style in SoulFly in general, is similar to Moschino's coding style.

Synedyne then goes and backs up his generalized comments of SoulFly having similar coding to Moschino, by stating he knows about coding.

Granted, I admit, I am not an expert coder. I know enough to do this or that, but I am very far from knowing all there is to know. I simply don't see any similarity in the code, or any similarity in coding styles. As far as I can see Moschino and SoulFly use a very different style, and as x-fusion has already stated, SoulFly does a ton more error checking that Moschino does.

Im hoping ozz will take a look at both and comment.

Hello well i dont know much about scripting and ripping i used to chat in msn and used to always download a script from techgear to help support my room,having seeing this thread about ripping i honestly think some of you are getting carried away with yourself here,i mean there is serious things going on in this world like racism murders rapists child sex offenders etc im sure you know where i im going with this?

Everyone here knows each other through what? MSN chat? MSN Messenger and Techgear. The way i look at it some people need to see whats going on outside your house etc there more to life then a stupid argument over ripping.

When people use other people scripting codes etc leave credit for the ones who deserve it as they are the ones who put all the effort into the script.

Thank you

err0r has been over the main purpose of what the discussion is about. I think I'll take the liberty of going ahead and closing this thread. I'm closing it because anything else that can be said most likely has already been said, or doesn't need to be commented upon. If either side (Travis or Dabba), or anyone else for that matter, has something else that they feel is important to add, contact myself, err0r or Ozzy through PM.

Thanks for re-opening it

Well thats fine if everyone wants to consider this matter finished. By looking at all allegations I have access to, the summary of all of this is that Dabba and Chain are a couple of whiney drama queens who cannot back up their accusations because they are total lies created only to drag my name down and crown Moschino the "Queen of Buzzen".

Thank you to everyone for your input!

I was only closing it because it was obvious Chain nor Dabba was going to reply to this thread because they'd rather do so where they're in charge so they have the ability to delete and ban people as they wish.

However, that's fine. err0r or Ozzy will close it when the times appropriate.

i looked at ctcpreply,hop,jroom and sockmark create

the hop and ctcpreply are NOT the same at all

sockmark create is something that a lot of scripters use for connections and i beleive was in vincula

so i dont see how that is copied

the jroom isnt the same

the hop is done with vars in dabbas and hash in travis conection

however i have connections and they do the hop in the same way , so i guess cause i did the connection a long time ago i could say they both ripped my code, however i never released it.

The point is you can only do a hop in one way and thats how everyone does it

yet again its simular to how vincula did it

In conclusion i dont see how it can be claimed that either connection is ripped

and before you all start saying i am bias i dont know dabba and i dont really know travis

and i hate everyone lol

the connections were checked by me and compared just for the above points

so please stop all this sillyness now

If you want to accuse anyone , please make sure you check the info for yourself and make your own informed dissision and not just follow what anyone else says just cause you like the person

Quite frankly i dont care much for the debate, as getting down to these portions of coding... tis only a matter of time before the original creator of the $nick alias comes to us all and accuses us of ripping, its bullshit... however, comparing moschino to vincula, you are kidding right? Vincula is a scattered original socket connection, dabba can code a socket conn... dabbas dialogs far out do anything any of you could probably ever hope to do, and he is always still bettering everything. Personally i didnt like soulfly.... the layout was too much like vincula for me.... but thats got nothing to do with an opinion on this matter.... its all quite simple... u code... u release... people use it in one way or another

nuff said

I think Travis deserves some apologies, as the accusations have clearly been proven false.

Dabba for starting all of this, Chain for posting inflammatory and false accusations on your site, and the countless bandwagon riders, who were only in it to drag Travis down and ruin his reputation.

There is absolutely no foundation for the accusations of ripping. Travis didn't rip anything. Any further discussion will only continue to reveal the true motive behind the accusations: insecurity and hatred. The accusations that were spread around of Travis ripping code and/or ideas were a very pathetic attempt at a smear campaign.

I hope that people will refrain from starting false accusations like this about anyone else in the future. Ultimately you're the ones who end up looking bad.

... however, comparing moschino to vincula, you are kidding right? Vincula is a scattered original socket connection, dabba can code a socket conn... dabbas dialogs far out do anything any of you could probably ever hope to do

I'm guessing your one of those scripters of Buzzen fame, right? I personally have never seen you, MSN, IRCd or otherwise. If you look at the basic components of Vincula and Moschino, you'll see pretty plainly that they match up. Dialogs, quite frankly, have nothing to do with anything. It's the code that makes them work.

I have no stay in the matter for the simple fact I don't use Buzzen. I can compare Vincula and Moschino without having to worry about mixing simple code up, because quite frankly, theres nothing to mix up.

But hey, thanks for chiming in.

Last time I used Vincula was 2003. I prefered Nuclear. I did not look at Vincula. Once I learned how to open a channel I just read the events I got and chose how to handle them one by one.

Gwen just stop. Noone is going to apologize or anything. Dont expect it. They don;t have the integrity or honor to stand up for what they said, they aren;t going to apologize for it either. This topic is over with.

I agree the discussion is over, and said that same thing on chains earlier this morning.

I'll continue to expect the best in everyone, but you're right Travis, people often refuse to show their best. That is a sad fact of life. True, we don't always get what we deserve--it doesn't mean we don't deserve it.

I'll close this topic once again, for the reasons that I stated the last time I closed it.

Chain for the first time ever, I might just like you.

I have alot of respect for people who can admit they made a mistake, and then change gears and go a differet direction.

All the best to you chain,

Gwen

I been hearing this about Soulfly & Moschino for a year to a year & a half. To be honest from my opinion there is quite a difference between the two. I am not one to pick sides & will not in this case, but just make a few statements. Lets take for example Ozzy & Rumbarr for instance.

This is Kick Counter from Hybrid

alias kick {
  if (%ac.kc == Off) { raw -q kick $1 $2 : $+ $3- | halt }
  else {
    if (!%kick.count) {
      set %kick.count 0
    }
    inc %kick.count 
    if (%show.kc == On) { raw -q kick $1 $2 : $+ $3- [My Kicks Today = $+ %kick.count $+ ] }
    else { raw -q kick $1 $2 : $+ $3- }
  }
  if (%kk.log == On) { write kicklog.txt [ $+ %kick.count $+ ]( $+ $date : $time $+ ) $msn.decode($2) : $3- }
}
alias kickcounter { dialog -m kk kk }
alias kicklog {
  did -e kk 14
  did -r kk 14
  %plst = 1
  if (!$read(kicklog.txt,%plst)) { did -a kk 14 No kick's logged }
  while (%plst <= $lines(kicklog.txt)) {
    did -a kk 14 $read(kicklog.txt,%plst)
    inc %plst
  }
  did -z kk 14
}

This is Kick Counter From Kenobi

On *:Dialog:kk:sclick:5:{ if ($did == 5) { set %kick.count 0 } | if ($did == 5) did -ra kk 4 %kick.count | splay on.wav }
On *:Dialog:kk:sclick:6:{ splay on.wav }
On *:Dialog:kk:sclick:7:{ if ($did(7).state == 1) { set %show.kc On } | else { set %show.kc Off } | splay on.wav }
On *:Dialog:kk:sclick:8:{ if ($active = Status Window) { halt } | else msg $active S Georgia;0 I have kicked %kick.count people,who have taken on Kenobi Script Version 4 and lost lol  | splay on.wav  }
On *:Dialog:kk:sclick:10:{ if ($did(10).state == 1) { set %ac.kc On } | splay on.wav | else { set %ac.kc Off } }
On *:Dialog:kk:init:*:{
  dll $mdx SetMircVersion $version
  dll $mdx MarkDialog $dname
  dll $mdx SetFont $dname
  dll $mdx SetColor $dname
  dll $mdx SetFont $dname 2,3,9 14 50 Georgia Bold
  dll $mdx SetColor 2,3,9 text $rgb(%list1colour,%list2colour,%list3colour)
  dll $mdx SetFont $dname 4 14 40 Georgia Bold
  dll $mdx SetColor 4 text $rgb(255,0,0)
  if (%show.kc == On) { did -c kk 7 }
  if (%ac.kc == On) { did -c kk 10 }
}

alias kick {
  if (%ac.kc == Off) { raw -q kick $1 $2 : $+ $3- | halt }
  else {
    if (!%kick.count) {
      set %kick.count 0
    }
    inc %kick.count 
    if (%show.kc == On) { raw -q kick  $1 $2 : $+ $3- [Total Kicks = $+ %kick.count $+ ] }
    else { raw -q kick $1 $2 : $+ $3- }
  }
}

alias kickcounter { dialog -m kk kk }

Even tho some of it is simular, that DOSENT mean they ripped each others work. You only got so many combinations of code to work with. IF everyone uses the Mirc help file you will see simularities between each persons coding, THAT dosent make it a rip. Only script i have seen in 5 years to 6 with coding like no other was TGK Guard Dog 5. I think it is time for Dabba & Travis to make up & agree that even tho Soulfly & Moschino may have some simularities both of those connections are unique & different.