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European buyers of Windows 7 will have to download and install a web browser for themselves.

 

Bowing to European competition rules, Microsoft Windows 7 will ship without Internet Explorer.

 

The company said it would make it easy for PC makers and users to get at and install the web browsing program.

 

In response the European Commission expressed scepticism over the move and whether it would allay accusations of Microsoft abusing its market position.

 

Abusive behaviour

 

"We're committed to making Windows 7 available in Europe at the same time that it launches in the rest of the world," Dave Heiner, Microsoft deputy general counsel, said in a statement, "but we also must comply with European competition law as we launch the product.

 

"We believe that this new approach, while not our first choice, is the best path forward given the ongoing legal case in Europe."

 

In response the European Commission said "it would also have to consider whether this initial step of technical separation of IE from Windows could be negated by other actions by Microsoft".

 

In early 2008, Microsoft was fined 899m euros (£765m) by the European Commission for anti-competitive behaviour over bundling in the media player and browser into Windows.

 

In January 2009, Brussels reached a "preliminary view" that Microsoft was denting the chance for true competition by bundling its browser software in with its operating system.

 

Microsoft is due to defend itself against the charges in a hearing.

 

If Microsoft fails to convince the Commission that it is not harming competition could mean more fines and enforced changes to the way it does business.

 

"We're committed to launching Windows 7 on time in Europe, so we need to address the legal realities in Europe, including the risk of large fines," said Mr Heiner.

 

Windows 7 is due to be released worldwide on 22 October.

 

"In terms of potential remedies, if the Commission were to find that Microsoft had committed an abuse, the Commission has suggested that consumers should be offered a choice of browser not that Windows should be supplied without a browser at all," said the Commission in a statement responding to Microsoft's announcement.

 

It said Microsoft's approach of offering the program to computer manufacturers "may potentially be more positive" in terms of remedying its alleged abusive behaviour.

 

It added that if Microsoft were found to be abusing its position, the commission would have to work out if the uncoupling of IE offset that behaviour.

 

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

"download and install a web browser for themselves" how? :P

yeah as you say how the hell can you go online and download a web browser if you have no web browser to do so why not just stop being satupid and put 3 icons on the desktop

 

one ti install IE, one for firefox and one for opera

 

at least then if you want a diff one you can at least install one to do so

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or just download a exe file an have it on disc thats what i do

And how did you get that file downloaded

 

by using a web browser

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MS is smart. take it out of the OS, but it will be available in windows updates. you do your first update, and its like, "oh you don't have IE8, let's download it for you". And presto, you have IE on the machine :P

But will it though

 

will it be able to access windows update without IE installed?

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since windows vista it has been able to. the whole "internet options" bit that you find in IE will still be existant, just the engine itself wont be. Cause the "internet options" is actually Windows' environment options.

Edited Jun 15, 2009 11:19 AM by The Gate Keeper
And how did you get that file downloaded

 

by using a web browser

 

 

yeah i should of said or just use a PCuser disc that comes with a computer magazine that has all these kinda programs already on a disc to install.

since windows vista it has been able to. the whole "internet options" bit that you find in IE will still be existant, just the engine itself wont be. Cause the "internet options" is actually Windows' environment options.

 

 

does that feature not use the IE engine to access updates though?

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The logical thing to do is to have a checkbox for "Install Internet Explorer browser" checked by default when you're going through the initial setup, thus not forcing you to install. Gotta love a loophole :)

True, you wouldn't have a browser if you uncheck it but that's not Microsoft's fault; unchecking that checkbox just leaves you with a shortcut on the desktop for downloading & installing their browser through Windows Update ;)

 

That being the logical choice IMO...

I don't get paid to know the answer, therefore I'm far more likely to give you a straight and honest answer.

does that feature not use the IE engine to access updates though?

nope. they are 3 seperate things. You have "Internet Options" (not part of IE, you can access this via control panel > network > internet options, and yes it is the same as the one in IE, because IE links to this), "Internet Explorer", and then there is "Windows Updates" (also connecting to Internet Options).

 

"Internet Options" are suppose to be environment proxy (as unix has it, where all your proxy work should be done in 1 area, but there are still programs that have their own proxy set up within them, e.g. firefox).

ah cool

 

learn something new every day

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