Is It Really Important To Graduate?

i'm lookin for ppl point of view about hiring undergraduate person, in the middle east few companies hire undergraduate ppl even if he's good even he had lot of courses i dontknow why what is the point of being graduated to work. even if Undergraduate person worked somewhere else and have experince they dont give a dam, i would like to share it with all of you i dontknow out side the middle east how it goes does they really care for a colleage certificate even if this person have more than a course and have a good experince. i'm talkin about IT & Computer fields. for sure i dont mean you shouldn't get your university degree but i wonder why they erase everything good in you n lookin for the part you still workin on..

well where i come from, undergraduates may be able to get a lot of jobs, heck, even I was capable of doing what a graduate could do. However, not graduating could set you back in terms of education, money, status, etc.

For example, a company (in Australia) pays based on experience reached. If i do not finish my degree (which i will be in 2 days after my exams today and tomorrow *w00t*), i would be still able to get a job, but it would not be as well paid, and i would most likely struggle to climb the corporate ladder so to speak. In terms of pay, I would be paid as a high school graduate, not a university graduate, as I have not completed my course yet. Also, if you wish to excel more, by perhaps doing a Masters in IT, which is very likely given that undergraduate is very foundational and doesn't cover a lot, then it would noted by the universities as to what level of knowledge you have. Like pay, what you have completed. Because you haven't completed undergraduate, they would see you no more qualified than a high school student.

Trust me, put in the extra 3 years (full time, max?), or i'm guessing that you're already quite some way through your degree, the remainder of your degree then, as it really does pay off in the end. What is it worth? The little money you make now which won't grow if you don't finish university? Or the money you'll be able to earn and grow after you complete at least your undergraduate?

am askin because i really feel im wasting my time wat we study is completly useless, so i was thinkin in getting job outside middle east with my courses and for sure complete my univ degree but outside,im worried after 4 years someone tell me sorry but we dont believe in this univ!!

It is definitely worth it to finish your studies.

No College you make minimum wage and do service work.

if you go to a college or university, make sure it is internationally recognised. Most universities will promote this if it is, so if you can get into one of those universities, then you're fine. There should be a few in the middle east, but if you feel it is better to study somewhere else, you should attempt to go for something better.

http://www.google.com/search?q=internation...ed+universities

as you can see, the first link on there lists internationally recgonised universities/colleges around the world. These are the universities you should be aiming for.

I will say though, that just because they are internationally recognised, they may not be as good as other universities. For example, what i'm studying, if i studied at a different university, i know that the amount of knowledge I would gain would not be as great. This is hard to tell based on looking at university websites, because they are all self promoting. The best way is to look at university rankings as well (which you can google), and perhaps even seeing if you can talk to past students of several universities that you wish to goto, in the field you want to work in.

There are successful stories about people who don't even have college degrees and still earn good money for a living. If you think college is a waste of time, learn a skill and apply that to your future career.

Nowadays your best bet at getting a decent job is to get a degree. Not necessarily a Master's, just a degree. In my experience, employers are looking for qualifications and experience. How do you get experience? By getting a job. How do you get a job? By having experience... or you have a decent qualification and you lucked out on an employer that isn't concentrating so much on experience.

How have people managed to get a decent job in IT by not having qualifications pouring out of their ears? They're either one lucky SOB or they got into IT a few years ago, either around 2000 where if you knew how to use a computer you were pretty much an expert or, very few years later when experience wasn't as essential. Now, companies want to provide minimal training and expect you to grasp a whole lot in a short space of time using past experience; your qualifications cover the gaps.

funfare i didnt mean all univ's is wasting of time just mine, i asked because im gonna go for another univ so im gonna start it all from begining if i didnt get work before i get my degree so its another 4 years which is long time to wait to get a good job, anyway thanks guys..

even if you get work, i would still suggest finishing your degree.

Depending on what job market you're looking at you may or may not need to graduate.

For example. You want to be a doctor? You better have a freaking diploma or good luck getting hired!

As for my case, I'm going to school for 3D Character animation. Interesting enough, animation companies don't care if you have a diploma or certificate or anything like that. The only thing they care about is the quality of work you do and what you can bring to them. Most people, however, in the industry do go to school to get their feet on the ground and learn the basics. From there, they just practice at home and keep applying for jobs.

So all in all, I don't think it's REQUIRED to graduate depending on the job market. I wish more people would understand this

i agree with you josh, yea its good to be graduate but would that make you talented ?! wish they really know it, if im company owner i would look for his talent n passion not his univ degree

well look at it this way... how do they originally assess you? You send in your resume right? On that, you have your education.

In IT, if you're not a network admin, or a behind the doors fix-it computer person, they're going to look at your education. This is especially true for programming roles, analyst roles, and management roles.

I could program back when i was in year 9, doesn't mean i would get the job i have lined up for now. I got the job next year because i am graduating uni. I used my experience once i got through the initial stages. What got me through the initial stages? Completing my degree, and having good marks. Of course this was backed by decent experience, but the first thing they look at is your marks. Especially at your age, you cannot tell me that you actually have the experience a professional has. I don't even have the experience, or the knowledge with my degree that a professional would. But like tak said, to get a job, you need experience, to get experience you need a job. I got in without the highly required experience through a "graduate program". These are real good for people who just come out of university, and don't want to be competing against EVERYBODY around for the basic job.

tgk all i want to say is just do not hold me back because im still studing and didnt get my univ degree yet, n i believe its very very important to get univ degree.

that's the attitude that you should have, so good on you.

what profession are you aiming for anyways?

actually im aimng to be sysadmin over different os's, there's something else you would recommend for me ? i like programming also ..

that's good. though where in particular would you like to do? normally to do sys admin, you need to pretty much know all the ins and outs of the operating systems you're dealing with.

yea & i'm doing my best to get as much as i can.

speaking as an ex employer and ex director

Its always better to get the qualifications and be over qualified for a job than not to get them and find someone else is more qualified.

That being said, if you get an interview and you show a lot of commonsense then that can be enough to get the job

some people have all the qualifications and no commonsense at all

still i would rather employ someone who has the correct qualifications, its easier for insurance etc

ozzy, would you agree... to get to the interview, they look at your qualifications? Meaning you need them to better your chances on getting an interview.

mm, i saw some qualified ppl but as ozzy said no commonsense but they get hired this is how it goes, get your qualifications get a chance to be hired.

TGK " i know a guy graduated as an accountant and he's working as programmer now. how that happend they hired him then give him experince as i see they need to just see a stamped certificate from the Ministry of Higher Education "