BuzzenChat

shagman that's a very poor attitude to have about things. i see that alot now, especially in todays younger generation. They somehow justify unethical things by saying either hey everyone else does it or it's not hurting anyone.. glad the majority of the world doesn't think that way. The world is already very shitty because a minority of ppl think that way. ah well i'm getting old i guess lol..

 

oh just wanted to add.. i do many things online as well as in life that are wrong and some are unethical probably but i know they are wrong lol. i just do it anyways but i dont' justify it.

We're all getting old, dont feel left out.

shagman that's a very poor attitude to have about things. i see that alot now, especially in todays younger generation. They somehow justify unethical things by saying either hey everyone else does it or it's not hurting anyone.. glad the majority of the world doesn't think that way. The world is already very shitty because a minority of ppl think that way. ah well i'm getting old i guess lol..

 

oh just wanted to add.. i do many things online as well as in life that are wrong and some are unethical probably but i know they are wrong lol. i just do it anyways but i dont' justify it.

I agree err0r, and that is what I see...alot of justifying buzzens wrong behavior and attempting to make it appear right. It's just not right, plain and simple.

Each person is able to choose for themselves which type of chat service they want to support, and for some the unethical and illegal activity of buzzen just isn't a big deal..but thankfully, for others it is.

And i'm still not sure what buzzen is doing is illegal.. unless they start offering the ocx up for download themselves or they edit the ocx for redistribution someway what they are doing probably won't draw msn's attention. They are simply using something that's already on people's computers to access their chat. Whether that's ethical or not. My opinion is probably not. I'm sure some people were paid pretty good money to make that ocx for MSN. But i can't make the call for sure. My reasons for wanting them to use their own ocx has less to do with what's right and wrong and more to do with what's best for their ability to offer their chat to users for a long time to come. what happens between msn and buzzen isn't anything i'm concerned with. what i want is for chatters to find places to chat that will be there for a long time.

That's one of the reasons i support vsixc. IRCx really cares about his users and i feel he will work hard to give them a good place to chat. He does it all with a very small group of people and i know how much work is involved. He does it not for the money but for the joy of helping others. I admit i don't know the buzzen staff well at all so i'm can't really say for sure but it seems by some of their actions they are trying to give it's users a good place to chat.

Thanks for clearing some things up for me. The reply you gave about 'Buzzen merely allowing the (now retired) MSN.OCX to connect to its servers', is a very passive attempt to pass the blame for buzzens inappropriate behavior onto the chatters. Infact buzzen specifically requires webchat users to download the msn.ocx in order to chat with webchat.

 

Is special software required to chat in Buzzen?

 

Upon arrival to Buzzen Chat, special and safe software is installed onto your computer. This program is downloaded to “C:/WINDOWS/Downloaded Internet Programs” and will remain on your computer unless you remove it manually.

 

To re-install the Chat Control users of windows should go to C:/WINDOWS/Downloaded Internet Programs. Then you should find "MSN Chat Control 4.5" with a speech bubble icon. Right click this and select "Remove" Ensure all IE browsers are closed and attempt to rejoin a chat room. The control should automatically reinstall.

 

Glad that you are working on your own ocx, just sad to see buzzen set such a poor example of net behavior. (even sadder to see so many try to justify the wrong being done by buzzen as right, simply because they didn't like the big dog msn.)

 

I simply cannot imagine trusting a chat service to act rightly in regards to its users after it has shown as questionable of ethics as buzzen (and all clones) have shown. That is my personal opinion.

I suppose I just dont see it the same as you. But nonetheless I can respect your opinion.

using the ocx obviously is just like pirated windows, givin the chance for microsoft to jump on an obvious point of it they will, but alot of the time they wont do alot besides tell you its wrong and expect you to respect them.

I have to agree on one thing. Webchat users are forced to use the msn ocx in order to chat, and if something happens that msn were to pull the plug on the ocx then webchat is history for buzzen. At least until buzzen finally creates their own ocx, or something else.

Yesterday, I spent quite awhile on Buzzen. Personally I like it very much as I do VSIXc. I have nothing against Buzzen at all, and would hate to see webchat disappear if msn did decide to take the ocx away. So, instead of working against Buzzen I think we should pull for them, and give them our support. People can do more when everyone works together instead of against each other.

The Buzzen Ocx Is Beening Beta Tested At This Time And Am Sure It Alloweds WebTV

The Buzzen Ocx Is Beening Beta Tested At This Time And Am Sure It Alloweds WebTV

Yes it will by all means allow webtv or msntv access in the next release of v2, so I've heard.

I have to agree on one thing. Webchat users are forced to use the msn ocx in order to chat, and if something happens that msn were to pull the plug on the ocx then webchat is history for buzzen. At least until buzzen finally creates their own ocx, or something else.

 

Yesterday, I spent quite awhile on Buzzen. Personally I like it very much as I do VSIXc. I have nothing against Buzzen at all, and would hate to see webchat disappear if msn did decide to take the ocx away. So, instead of working against Buzzen I think we should pull for them, and give them our support. People can do more when everyone works together instead of against each other.

Hi Warrior and X-fusion, for me it's not a thing about whether buzzen(or any other clone) looks good or not. For me it's about whether or not buzzen has acted within the legal boundaries in providing webchat with the msn.ocx.

Quite simply I do not respect, nor do I support illegal activity. So if buzzen is acting legally, they have my respect for the work they have put into their site, if they have acted illegally to respect them and support them while they are acting illegally would be foolishness--no matter how hard they have worked.

I hope they finish up their own ocx soon, it's somethng that should have been done before they ever decided to provide webchat. But even when their own ocx is completed buzzen will still have the stigma of gaining its popularity via illegal and unethical means... by piggy backing off someone elses copyrighted chat ocx. To me there is no sense of achievement in that, nor is it worthy of a pat on the back. At the very best it serves as a constant reminder that the very foundation(the ethics of the admin) at buzzen is corrupt and willing to participate in illegal and unethical activity to gain their own benefit. That sure doesn't sound like a group of people I want to provide me with chat services.

I wrote msn this time, so that I would have their response in writing about this matter and here is what they have told me:

Thank you for writing to Windows Live ID Technical Support.

This is Maureen and I acknowledge that you want to know if www.buzzen.com and www.phreik.com are legal chat services.

After reviewing the information at hand, I have determined that we will need to do further investigation.

Although I do not have a definite time as to when this will be resolved, I want you to know that I am engaging additional resources to help me investigate. As soon as we have more information, either myself or another member of our support team will be in contact with you.

I know how important it is to have your concern addressed immediately. Please accept my apologies for not being able to assist you fully.

Thank you for using Windows Live ID.

Sincerely,

Maureen

Windows Live ID Technical Support

Not that I care about the result of this debate... but what would be so wrong about attaching a clone server to msn groups? Its still working inside of MSN isnt it?

If your on any clone right now just type /credits (make sure ur signed up with that group) and find my link in the message board or click here

that sounds like a typical ms response... see it before.. and seen the outcome..

As a member of a company email department, we are not allowed to make an instant response to anything legal. Shes doing the right thing by forwarding it along to her higher ups. As she could get in deep trouble if she advised on legal matters such as that.

Well just to set the record straight I will clear some things up.

 

1) Buzzen has no affiliation with MSN or Microsoft.

 

2) Buzzen does not OWN the MSN.OCX.

 

3) Buzzen has no rights to the MSN.OCX.

 

4) Buzzen does in no way "use" the MSN.OCX.

 

Admin_Jay

Buzzen Administration

lol good point shagman. Jay looks like buzzen is closely enough connected to msn that when you type /credits into the buzzen chat screen it opens up the msn chat team group page:

http://groups.msn.com/MSNChatTeam/_homepag...?pgmarket=en-us

lol at least they are giving credit.

Once again, if Microsoft wanted to go the extra mile against Buzzen, as well as other msn clones, they could have done so already.

Like Err0r has said, and I quot:

"I think it's time everyone cut them some slack. They seem to be willing to do the right thing. They say they are working hard to put out their own ocx which was my only issue with them. Just wait and see."

"i think they are doing the right thing by putting out their own ocx or flash or whatever gui they are planning.. The main goal in all of this is having good places to chat."

I know Buzzen may always bear a shoddy name of using msn's ocx to gain its popularity today, but nevertheless the Admin_Jay is able to state the truth about not owning or ever having the right to msn's chat control. I believe their original goal was, and still is, to open a chat place for people to induldge in reminiscence of the lost feeling of MSN chat when Microsoft closed its global chatrooms in 2003. They want to recreate that place where "affected msn chatters," including those refuse or not able to pay the subscription, can again have the same exact chatroom to live on.

This time they have heard the public loud and clear to soon replace the ocx with their own. Until then, we should really give them a great benefit of postivity and let people be the judge of their upcoming chat service.

We all make mistakes at one point or another, and if we're willing to change for the better, I think the impact is going to be impressive.

Once again, if Microsoft wanted to go the extra mile against Buzzen, as well as other msn clones, they could have done so already.

Well I think msn 'letting this go' sets a very poor bench mark for net behavior, and that in order to prevent an escalation of copyright infringement and illegal usage of others code, msn is almost forced to take some type of action.

Just because msn has been quiet to date does not mean they are not gathering evidence in order to prevent and challenge this type of behavior. Though knowing the internet related court cases, they don't go after anyone unless they can slam dunk them, and make a them into an example to others of what happens when you disregard legal matters on the net.

I think msn shutting down due to a lose of chatters is only added ammunition in msn pockets, espeically if they decide to file a suit to recover damages.

If I was buzzen admin I'd be worried about msn filing a suit to recover damages. buzzen claims 50,000 users, that is alot of potential money loss to msn.

Whether people think msn was right to charge for chat or not is a mute point. Msn owned the ocx and thus had the right to offer it for free or to charge for the use of it. Buzzen vetoed that msn choice and offered the world the use of msn's ocx for free at buzzen, despite the fact that msn had chosen to charge a fee to use it at msn. That is theft.

I still have a printed copy of msns cease amd desist order against nsm/xmsn now known as buzzen, essentially they were upset about the msn butterfly and other images being shown while offering msn chat services. They made no mention to us of using msns ocx.

Funny part is that kid mohamed thinks that it was connection software alone that built it.

Funny part is that kid mohamed thinks that it was connection software alone that built it.

I believe that kid Mohamed was the one who ousted you?

Quite a d|ckh3@d eh? I feel like a cheap wh0r3 for being used like that.

MSN lost chatters because they decided to charge for a service that didn't have enough demand for it. Through better marketing of their free chat they could have done much better.. to bad they hate google.. google ads on msn free chat would have made a killing lol. And actually MSN never really did charge for chat. They charged for other services and chat was thrown in free. Makes me think they had planned this all along. If they had made you pay for actually chatting then you would have had recourse when they shut it down after so many ppl paid. ah well. MSN for ya.